Some Small Changes to How We Count Participation in Events

When The Hive first started in 2012 it was an experiment. We wanted to create a safe space where anyone who wanted to get healthier and feel stronger could come and interact, ask for advice, share their journey and feel less alone in their struggle.

It worked. So much so that by 2022 we had outgrown the original programming we had chosen and had to scrap everything and rebuild. The new Hive we have is capable of so much more than just adding your name and creating a log to post your progress.

The Hive has now become a buzzing hub of seasonal events, weekly activities and annual interactions (like the Christmas Tree Ornament, Halloween and the Snowfight). It now allows us to not just be publicly accountable in what we do by logging our fitness journey but also discover others from across the world who share that journey with us and interact with them.

There are now clubs (where you can share what you do) and a Dashboard where everything you do can be logged.

From the very beginning The Hive, like Darebee had a simple guiding motto: placing the needs of those who use it, first. To that effect every change we put in place is intended to help every person in it have more control, get more enjoyment and have a more accurate, detailed picture of what they do.

We had, in-house, an involved debate on how to best implement this core principle within the changing, connected functionality of The Hive and the Darebee website. In the past, when we held an event, we’ve always accepted workout activity as counting towards it. The rationale at the time was that as long as people were active it was great, so if —for example— you did a workout that included jumping jacks and we had a Hive event that required jumping jacks then the ones you did in your workout counted towards the Event requirements and you could log those numbers in, and participate.

This is not, however how real life works. If you go and workout at your gym and then choose to participate in a game of football in the park, the running you did in the gym does not count towards the running the game of football requires you to do. They’re two separate events and you participate in the game at the park because it’s fun, it’s social and you exercise more.

We’ve decided to apply the same logic in Hive Events. Like the game in the park they’re an additional layer of physical activity dressed in a social, fun, connected way. In a way we’re already doing this with the annual snowball fight where we need to do extra physical stuff in order to participate and what we do in our daily workout does not count within in.

We’re now formalizing this approach for The Hive so we can have a structured basis for bringing in more interactivity, fresh, future programming and new ways to engage, interact and have fun.

The benefits of the change are significant:
  • Events become what they’re supposed to be: fun, optional, extras
  • Activity logged in your Dashboard is accurate and reflective of what you do
  • It creates a level playing-field (on some occasions those already doing a combat-based program or workout were already ahead of everyone else in an Event)
  • It gives you the opportunity to use these occasions to take your fitness to new levels (last Christmas I ended up doing in a 48-hour period, over 1,000 jumping-jacks as I flapped my arms to avoid the avalanche of snowballs coming my way)
  • It creates a logically-sound basis for introducing other activities in The Hive that also must be uncoupled from workouts and programs
I am interested to hear your opinion however, which is why I detailed all this here.
 
I disagree.

If you go and workout at your gym and then choose to participate in a game of football in the park, the running you did in the gym does not count towards the running the game of football requires you to do. They’re two separate events and you participate in the game at the park because it’s fun, it’s social and you exercise more.
If I was going to play a game of soccer, I would skip my solo run on that day. For one thing: I'd want to be fresh for the game, so that I could give my best performance to my team. For another: I would not want to risk injury by overtraining. More is not always better.

We’re now formalizing this approach for The Hive so we can have a structured basis for bringing in more interactivity, fresh, future programming and new ways to engage, interact and have fun.
Counting reps done for DAREBEE Programs, Challenges, and Workouts in no way prevents any of this.

  • Events become what they’re supposed to be: fun, optional, extras
Events have always been fun, optional, extras.

  • Activity logged in your Dashboard is accurate and reflective of what you do
And can easily remain so. Just don't log event activity to the Dashboards.

  • It creates a level playing-field (on some occasions those already doing a combat-based program or workout were already ahead of everyone else in an Event)
It does not. It just penalizes people whose regular workouts utilize content from DAREBEE.

Let us take for example, two DAREBEEs who enjoy martial arts workouts, I'll call them "Fighter A" and "Fighter B".

Fighter A is an experienced martial artist whose regular workout routine includes 30 minutes a day of shadow boxing and railing on the heavy bag hanging in their home gym.

Fighter B is a newer exerciser who recently discovered their love of martial arts workouts through DAREBEE. Unlike Fighter A, Fighter B does not know how to put together their own workout routine. They know few martial arts strikes, and are not yet confident on how to execute the few they have sort of learned. So they decide to try DAREBEE's Combat HIIT Program, because it gives them a structured training plan with follow along videos for each day's workout.

Then DAREBEE's Battleground event comes along. Both Fighter A and Fighter B are excited to participate in this fun community event. And luckily for Fighter A--who is already a shoe-in to be a power player in the event due to their strong athletic conditioning base and martial arts skills--their regular 30 minute training sessions rack up heaps of Battleground points for their team. But poor Fighter B--who's already giving it their all just to complete Combat HIIT each day--is being told, "Too bad. So sad. Your workout doesn't count."

This scenario, to my way of thinking at least, would be very unfair.

  • It gives you the opportunity to use these occasions to take your fitness to new levels
DAREBEE events have always done this. Counting work done as part of DAREBEE workouts towards event participation in no way prevents participants from doing extra work if they want to. Honestly, I have participated in a lot of DAREBEE events over the years, and I have never seen a participant use an event as an opportunity to slack off! Everyone participates to the best of their ability.

Allowing participants to count work they do as part of their regular DAREBEE workouts towards their event participation makes participating in the events more accessible to more people. It helps to level the playing field. And it encourages people to utilize DAREBEE content. It's a win all around.

I respectfully ask the DAREBEE Team to please reconsider your position on this one.
 
I fully agree with @Laura Rainbow Dragon on this. I don't recognize the spirit of Darebee in the proposed change, which reduces choice and flexibility for the range of needs, capabilities, and workout arrangements of Darebee members. Trust members to do what works best for them and their personal situation. That's what Darebee is for, isn't it?
 
I don't really do the events but for what it's worth the change makes sense to me.

If someone's doing a program/challenge and it contains exercises different to what's being done in the event, you wouldn't count them towards the event totals. I'm not sure why it would be any different if they happened to be the same exercise that day.

If somebody was unable to do both their regular program and the event, they could pick one or the other that day, or do the "Make It Easier" version, or even just "cheat" and add the exercise a second time to count towards event totals - the Darebee police aren't gonna break down your front door and arrest you.

(Cheat is in quotation marks because ultimately it's not going to ruin the event for anyone, and the only thing it'll mess up is your personal dashboard stats.)